**Edited: I put an * where I accidentally misrepresented Mehta about what he believes. If you go to the post about HU and read the comments following my comment you will see how there is a difference in saying you don't believe in God and that there is no God. I am pretty ignorant in the semantics of atheism, in fact in the whole idea of it, and so I apologize for any mistakes**
Yesterday evening I went to hear the friendly atheist, Hemant Mehta speak at Harding University.
I had actually saw the book of Mehta, I Sold My Soul on E-Bay (it's just a catchy title, that is not what he really did...click on the link to learn of his project and what happened and how the book came about) just a few months ago on one of my luxury visits to the library on my own.
I encourage you to go read his post on his visit to Harding which you can click to it here.
I am pretty proud of the Harding/Christian community that showed up last night for I felt we treated the guest speaker with due respect, even though we have such different beliefs and come from polar opposite sides, and I appreciated the eagerness and interest everyone had, the desire to have open communication and to learn from both sides. And I appreciated the 'friendliness' and kindness of Mehta, who disclosed a much-less known truth, that not every atheist is hateful towards believers nor are they threatening and always ridiculing our beliefs. I am glad we could show the same thing, in reverse!
I also very much appreciated what Dr. Cox had to say and I loved that he wanted, along with us, to publicly apologize for the way some Christians he has encountered have acted, for the ways they have disrespected and mistreated was totally un-Christian. It reminded me of my favorite chapter on confession of Don Miller's Blue Like Jazz book (you really should read it!)
Here are some things I have learned (or was able to re-affirm) from going to listen to an atheist speak about his experience going to different churches (that is what the project, and book, is about):
- Atheist and Christianity actually have many similarities in that they both are belief systems (Dr. Cox thanked him for acknowledging that- it makes dialogs easier when they admit that they *"believe" there is NO God and that this belief affects most if not all of their lives in one way or another, just like my belief that there IS God, and one only, does).
- Another similarity was the fact that not all atheist can answer every questions regarding their non-belief. Mehta was put in the spot a couple of times, and he often answered that this is not what his book and his presentations deal with (explaining atheism and why it is true). His 'expertise' did not reside in debating reasonable atheism like it is for Richard Dawkins.
- The previous point brings me to another thought that my ex-atheistic father told me once and has always impacted me: you must have faith to be an atheist. (Faith that there is no God, for that is hard to prove just as it is hard to prove that there is one.)
- Some other random things that seem to point to similarities in our experiences, believer or non: we are not always like the media or the most 'news-worthy' and 'attention-seeking' advertising portrays us. Hehmant spoke a lot about how it was frustrating that most people see atheist as haters, as ignorant and crude. He gave specific examples and proceeded to describe to us how many atheist are not Christian-haters, that they are very approachable and open to dialog and to accept a person who disagrees. That is the idea he gave me. Of course there are those (and they are the loudest out there, the ones who are being heard and even applauded by atheist it seems) that think cruelly and look down on us. But then again, many Christians (the loudest and most misleading) also speak cruelly and mistreat non-believers.
- One other thing that caught me by surprise (not sure why it did!) Atheist are insecure about themselves too! They feel unsure on how to be open and 'share' their beliefs and live in a more religious society (more about this in the next bullet-point). When in college he started an atheist club, for support, just like campus crusades and other Christian college associations. They need to associated with like-minded people too, obviously, but also it seems for encouragement when perhaps they find themselves the minority, for they are.
- The last phrase is what I wanted to comment on: Atheist (and perhaps agnostics combined) are a minority here in the U.S. Most Americans consider themselves religious, the majority of some Christian affiliation. Now, if they are church-goers or not or if they truly exemplify Christ (most of u s not :( ), is another topic. But the fact remains that the truly secularist are a minority. I hear often from Christians that there is not enough 'faith' in the public sphere, that we need more religion in politicians. However, Mehta argued that the opposite is true. Most politicians do at least affiliate themselves to some kind of religion, and most probably to Christianity. He provided information on how one group of secularist (perhaps the national alliance, can't remember) sought to find out who, if anyone, in any public government role (from high-status to 'lowly'--NOT!-- garbage collector worker) would ascribe himself as atheist (or agnostic at least). One congressman did come out, and as far as I heard, him alone, without making a big deal about the issue, and said the he didn't believe in God. One. I believe there are probably more who are 'closet' non-believers, but the point is that the open-secularist in power are not that many. Perhaps we should stop worrying about world power and government and who is going to be in charge and how our world is crumbling because there are no Christians in power. If there are no Christians in power is because those who are are not acting according to Christ's teachings-- or they are misleading on what those teaching really are about. They have been probably corrupted by power and fame. And probably a 'perfect' Christian world is not attainable as long as we try to do it with our own human efforts and 'virtue'. "For my kingdom is NOT of this world" Jesus said. I am not saying to not vote for a good Christian man or woman who is running for office, but do not put your faith and hope in him and her, as you shouldn't put in in a worldly government to make life as you wish it to be. Okay, so I went way off topic here. Sorry! I think it is the first time I shared about this 'stuff' openly. And no, I am not the expert on politics and religion :)
- Last but not least, I want to add here my questions which I will post on Mehta's blog, that I didn't get to ask (or might not have, there was lots of people there wanting to ask questions! and it is always a little daunting to speak out at such events, I am always afraid no one will understand my question). Before I write it down I did want to share the last question (more comment) that was shared. A student (I assume) shared with Hehmant about his past day experience with a very disabled young adult or child, who is not able to talk, walk, feed himself and express his needs like most toddlers do. What purpose, does this person have, if there is no God? asked the young guy. He shared how this disabled person touched his life deeply, how caring for him and watching this 'paralyzed' life display in front of his eyes gave him appreciation and humility for what he had, and taught him valuable lessons. Hemant Mehta said something how that this person's purpose is probably to create such valuable insights. But it striked me as odd, speaking about purposes with an atheist. Not that they might not use this term periodically if not often, but what kind of purpose is there in life, in evolution, in science? Not just purpose to survive, to grow in strength, in power, so to surpass all and 'thrive.' But what does science care about that? That we live or not? What does it care that we have a purpose? Who cares? Do atheist care about that? "purpose" is such a buzz word these days among Christians, to an extent I believe it has become self-centered and self-conceited (not a Christian thing). So here's to my question to Mehta and others who don't believe in God/Creator (and I am interested in answers!): What makes a human, human? What makes us different from other animals? Why do we hope, worry about love, about harmony, about being liked or disliked? Why do we care about stuff? Why do we want to learn, to mature, to grow? Why do we think about life in such terms? Why are we so different from every other living being? And for Mehta: what did you learn of new, did anything surprise you, srike you as odd and different from what you previously understood, about Jesus Christ?
Here is another few things I think are noteworthy about Mehta's experience with church-going:
- Nobody approached him at church to initiate conversation. At big churches, that *might*--not an excuse- be more understandable, but small churches it was really awkward. Though most were wiling to converse once approached, Mehta said he really didn't experience anyone coming up to him.
- Some churches sung about the 'evil people' and how great it was to be Christians and how horrible and bad those who weren't...probably not most people's experience, but I know sometimes things are said in prayers or sermons that kind of go that way-- not very humble and loving in spirit.
- There seems to be few outlets for non-Christians (and Christians too!) to ask questions and express doubts within the church. ( I have often said this too! I feel like once you have become Christian you are often left to 'disciple' yourself, as if you won't ever struggle or doubt, and if you do you think something is wrong with you...okay, another topic for another time).

8 comments:
What purpose does that poor disabled child serve if there is a god?
That is a very good question too! I cannot answer it probably to any one person's satisfaction, believer or non. I believe (want to believe) the purpose the disabled child has is to teach through his "imperfect"life about love, God's love. I would look for the glory of God Jesus spoke about regarding powerless, crippled, blind and disabled persons (John 9). For me as a Christian, Purpose of each individual would be built on the truth of redemption and reconciliation for all humanity through Jesus' sacrifice, by seeing value in where we place none, by finding our needs met by truths that speak louder than any accomplishment, human knowledge and industry.
Like I said, I am sure I am not answering such a difficult question to your or other's satisfaction, since I am speaking from my own limited yet affected perspective(I lost a child, in utero, because of genetic abnormality, and believe me, I want to know her purpose and somedays I am more sure of it, some days still I falter. But I cringe to believe that there may not be one when she means so much to me). Suffice it to say that I do not know what purpose this child has, whether God is real or not. If you do stop by and read this, would you mind letting me know if having a 'purpose' or meaning (i.e. the meaning of life) matter to you? and why it does or doesn't?
Thanks for stopping by and asking the question!
First of all, I just want to say that I enjoyed your post, and I hope that you continue to meet "atheists" that break the mold of the stereotypes that have been set forth.
I will admit that I cannot think of an instance where I used the word "purpose" to discribe myself or another's motivation. I feel that the word itself too narrowly defines my future. In fact, "purpose" is something that I feel should not be applied to anyone. Purpose is good for somebody who has achieved something great, whether it be a big or small event. But what about the second man to the left who is killed in a suicide bomb? By dying in the blast, did he fulfill his purpose, or was his purpose cut short by his untimely death?
As a person with my train of thought, I've never thought that I had a purpose, but rather I felt I could be anything or do anything that I wanted to do, within the limits of society.
I have never looked to science or evolution for comfort during my journey's; to me, that would be like finding comfort in a word or the color yellow. Evolution is just an aspect of life; science is only a way of thinking, not living. I find my comfort in my wife and children. It is for them that I do what I do, and how I act. As corny as that sounds, it's what drives me, and for someone else, it may be completely different.
"Having a purpose" sounds scary to me. It makes me think that my future is predetermined, and from my background of abusive parents, achoholism, and general low class living, then that future doesn't bode well for me. Also, I was in the military for quite a while, and sometimes a person's purpose was just to serve as an example to others (and most of the time that was bad).
So I'm not sure if that answers your question, but I at least hope it comes close. Cheers.
hey gioietta,
i know someone's addressed this on your comments on friendlyatheist, but thought it was worth mentioning here too - your understanding of an atheist of having a belief in no god (and atheism being therefore a faith position) is very different from the view that i personally, and many others, have. the difference is, no belief in a god/s means that i do not claim to know 100% whether there is a god/s or not, merely that i see no evidence for any god/s existence.
this lack of belief in god/s also means that you can only describe atheism as my worldview in the same way you could describe not-stampcollecting as my hobby (ie, not a good comparison)
whilst i'm here, i'd like to recommend www.friendlychristian.com site to you, as a great place to talk to other christians who 'aren't afraid to ask the difficult questions' (but aren't looking to abandon their faith), and to dialogue with atheists who are interested in genuine, honest communication.
RE: a purpose.
I agree quite a bit with what fumui says.
I wouldn't say everyone has a prupose in the way you state it as a part of some bigger plan from god. I think people create their own purpose/meaning in life. I believe we can all be special unique people who do good, but I don't pretend to think that I am a vital cog in the workings of the world. I try to be a good person and husband and recently a good father. If I leave the world a little better than I "found" it that is a good enough purpose for me.
Thank you both, Happynat and fumui, for giving me plenty to ponder on! These thought-provoking discussions and comments of the last few days has given me much to chew on...perhaps too much to try and do while running behind a toddler! But I will because I think it is important and I thank you for giving me your insights and challenging me with more questions.
Ash, thanks for helping me further understand the difference between those two ideas: believing there is no God and not believing in God.(I did see all the comments about it on mehta's blog; my husband kindly pointed it out and I commented back admitting my ignorance to them!)
I am still a little bit confused and have further questions, but perhaps that website you gave me might be a great help! I plan to check it out in my spare time, so thank you again.
Is it true that you must have faith to be an aThorist? (Faith that there is no Thor, for that is hard to prove just as it is hard to prove that there is one.)
How about leprechauns, the tooth fairy, or a celestial teapot orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter? Does it really take a leap of faith to not believe in these things, or is non-belief just the rational position given the total lack of evidence for their existence?
Quite a post Miriam! I am also impressed that Harding had the friendly atheist over for a chat. I would have liked to hear that, but you're re-cap was pretty good. This kind of thing is better discussed in person, maybe we can finally catch up one of these days. I'd love to talk.
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